Comments on: The Next Big Language is…. http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/ Alex Miller's technical blog Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:39:50 -0800 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: nicolas http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/comment-page-1/#comment-183792 nicolas Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:19:50 +0000 http://tech.puredanger.com/?p=678#comment-183792 Those new .Net and Java langages will never fly. It's for kids only, I've never seen a company using something else than C/C++ ;) Those new .Net and Java langages will never fly.
It’s for kids only, I’ve never seen a company using something else than C/C++

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]]> By: Alex http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/comment-page-1/#comment-183394 Alex Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:43:15 +0000 http://tech.puredanger.com/?p=678#comment-183394 @Stan: Last time I checked, time-to-market and agility in a changing environment are also important business drivers and that's what I would hope to see as the positive benefit of other languages. For that matter, I think maintainability is significantly impacted by code size and fit from language to problem and those are both significant advantages FOR maintainability with non-Java languages. I don't disagree with your points. I just think it's only part of the story and in some companies, the ability to write more code, faster, with less people (who may be harder to find admittedly) and have less code to maintain is an equation that works out for them. I'm betting that that equation will improve for non-Java languages in the next 5 years. And be either stagnant or not as good for Java. @Stan: Last time I checked, time-to-market and agility in a changing environment are also important business drivers and that’s what I would hope to see as the positive benefit of other languages. For that matter, I think maintainability is significantly impacted by code size and fit from language to problem and those are both significant advantages FOR maintainability with non-Java languages.

I don’t disagree with your points. I just think it’s only part of the story and in some companies, the ability to write more code, faster, with less people (who may be harder to find admittedly) and have less code to maintain is an equation that works out for them.

I’m betting that that equation will improve for non-Java languages in the next 5 years. And be either stagnant or not as good for Java.

]]> By: Stan http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/comment-page-1/#comment-183311 Stan Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:31:17 +0000 http://tech.puredanger.com/?p=678#comment-183311 For fly-by development, this "plethora" of language choices is great. But for those that build something that is expected to last, and be maintainable, I have to agree with Mats. Businesses aren't run by developer needs, they're run by business needs. Look at how many COBOL developers there once were. Now look at the still massive amount of COBOL still in use. Finally, look at how hard it is to find people to maintain it. Write Scala or Groovy now, and see if it ever gets as popular as COBOL was. Now picture yourself in the future as a development manager, desperately trying to find some geek that worked with either of them for more than a year before some other bright shiny object, um, I mean new great language took their attention. I've used many languages over several decades, and one or two were in the "wow that's neat" category, but they didn't pan out for production work that expected longevity. We all fall into the trap, but then we grow up. For fly-by development, this “plethora” of language choices is great. But for those that build something that is expected to last, and be maintainable, I have to agree with Mats.

Businesses aren’t run by developer needs, they’re run by business needs. Look at how many COBOL developers there once were. Now look at the still massive amount of COBOL still in use. Finally, look at how hard it is to find people to maintain it.

Write Scala or Groovy now, and see if it ever gets as popular as COBOL was. Now picture yourself in the future as a development manager, desperately trying to find some geek that worked with either of them for more than a year before some other bright shiny object, um, I mean new great language took their attention.

I’ve used many languages over several decades, and one or two were in the “wow that’s neat” category, but they didn’t pan out for production work that expected longevity. We all fall into the trap, but then we grow up.

]]> By: Nick Antonaccio http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/comment-page-1/#comment-183255 Nick Antonaccio Sun, 20 Dec 2009 01:56:41 +0000 http://tech.puredanger.com/?p=678#comment-183255 +1 for REBOL. I've never found anything else as productive - nothing close. +1 for REBOL. I’ve never found anything else as productive – nothing close.

]]> By: Oldes http://tech.puredanger.com/2009/12/15/the-next-big-language-is/comment-page-1/#comment-183146 Oldes Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:27:23 +0000 http://tech.puredanger.com/?p=678#comment-183146 I like REBOL. I use REBOL. I don't care if it should be NBL or not, but I like to mention this language here as I don't see it in your article. I like REBOL. I use REBOL. I don’t care if it should be NBL or not, but I like to mention this language here as I don’t see it in your article.

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